Disagree on Warming? To the Prison Cell!

By February 8, 2008Global Warming

Lots of attention has been paid recently to David Suzuki, a prominent Canadian scientist, TV narrator and environmental scold who last week gave a speech at the McGill Business Conference on Sustainability.

The National Post reports:

Toward the end of his speech, Dr. Suzuki said that “we can no longer tolerate what’s going on in Ottawa and Edmonton” and then encouraged attendees to hold politicians to a greater green standard.

“What I would challenge you to do is to put a lot of effort into trying to see whether there’s a legal way of throwing our so-called leaders into jail because what they’re doing is a criminal act,” said Dr. Suzuki, a former board member of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association.

“It’s an intergenerational crime in the face of all the knowledge and science from over 20 years.”

Outrageous, yes, but not all that uncommon — especially this claptrap about speech representing an intergenerational crime. Every week during Sunday morning news chat shows, a 30-second TV spot sponsored by Environmental Defense accuses people who disagree with it of wanting to run over little girls with trains. The charge: not just an intergenerational crime, it’s intergenerational murder, even genocide.

Take a look. The ad runs on on network television. Extremism is going mainstream.

Join the discussion 20 Comments

  • emptyhandkiller says:

    I propose that Dr. Suzuki and his colleagues should be all ground up into sausage, and those sausages be eaten by starving Ethiopians. I am sure Dr. Suzuki would want to help the hungry.

  • charles says:

    “Facism is a religion of the state. It assumes the organic unity of the body politic and longs for a national leader attuned to the will of the people. It is totalitarian in that it views everything as political and holds that any action by the state is justified to achieve the common good. It takes responsibility for all aspects of life, including our health and well-being, and seeks to impose uniformity of thought and action, whether by force or through regulation and social pressure. Everything, including the economy and religion, must be aligned with its objectives. Any rival identity is part of the “problem” and therefore defined as the enemy.” – Jonah Goldberg

  • James says:

    Sometimes I’m glad to see a lack of freedom of speech upheld, like when the Austrians jailed that moron Holocaust denier/white supremacist.

    But other times like this it’s appalling. When romans kill christians, christians oppress jews, and athiests demand all christian rehtoric be removed, it’s about the same as not allowing a scientific DEBATE to go on.

    I believe in global warming but I think if you don’t you should be reasoned with, not jailed and made a martyr for some nonsensical cause. To suggest jail for disagreeing is moronic and egocentric. I crime against science, is to not reason with opposing views you hate in broad daylight, but rather oppress them so they are hidden in darkness. Two choices available, either both parties learn or NIETHER does. That’s why Freedom of Speech is so beautiful even if it’s the freedom to lie, it’s also the freedom to refute lies and find the real truth….without fear of jail.

  • billadams says:

    The Global Warming lies are taken a lot more seriously by Canadians. Here, everyone with a three digit IQ knows what a fraud they are. An explanation appeared on catholicfundamentalism.com
    It was that Canadians are largely descended from those who refused to fight King George (and, they may have been right) in the American Revolution, their descendants still tend to respect government authority. Hence the acceptance of pro-state ideologies like Global Warming.

  • Dave says:

    The debate on global warming is far from over. No one ever mentions the sun when it comes to global warming. Why are all the planets in the sloar system warming right now? Does anyone know that our sun is burning hotter now than it has in 1000yrs. The global temperature have plateaued and have not increased since 2000. The sun is begining a new phase now and its gonna bring cold and lots of it in the future. No climate model or computer is able to crunch all the data to say with any sort of certainty that we are warming the earth. Which in my opinion we are not. what is the most predominate greenhouse gas in our atmosphere? Water vapor are we going to drain all the lakes and oceans next. The artic and antartic are experienceing record icepacks this winter why isnt that all over the front page of the newspaper? Global warming is nothing more than a political agenda and people should stop beliveing everything they read and check the facts before saying were all doomed. If we are not all doomed it would not make a very good headline in your local newspaper and no one will want to read about it.Throw in some end of the world BS and youll sell lots of papers.Want more info see the BBCs documentary on the great global warming swindle open your eyes people.

  • Ted R. says:

    It’s sad that so many “scientists” are trying to have people jailed that disagree with their world view. The last time we had such an amazing show of hubris was when people were killed for claiming the earth was round.

    The science is NOT complete on global warming. There are many real scientists around the world that claim global warming/global cooling are natural and man has little to no role in it.

    But of course we’ll never be able to really study the causes, because soon people like Suzuki will be calling for the executions of people that don’t agree with his church of global warming.

  • John says:

    By INVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Thursday, February 07, 2008 4:20 PM PT

    Climate Change: Not every scientist is part of Al Gore’s mythical “consensus.” Scientists worried about a new ice age seek funding to better observe something bigger than your SUV — the sun.


    Related Topics: Global Warming


    Back in 1991, before Al Gore first shouted that the Earth was in the balance, the Danish Meteorological Institute released a study using data that went back centuries that showed that global temperatures closely tracked solar cycles.

    To many, those data were convincing. Now, Canadian scientists are seeking additional funding for more and better “eyes” with which to observe our sun, which has a bigger impact on Earth’s climate than all the tailpipes and smokestacks on our planet combined.

    And they’re worried about global cooling, not warming.

    Kenneth Tapping, a solar researcher and project director for Canada’s National Research Council, is among those looking at the sun for evidence of an increase in sunspot activity.

    Solar activity fluctuates in an 11-year cycle. But so far in this cycle, the sun has been disturbingly quiet. The lack of increased activity could signal the beginning of what is known as a Maunder Minimum, an event which occurs every couple of centuries and can last as long as a century.

    Such an event occurred in the 17th century. The observation of sunspots showed extraordinarily low levels of magnetism on the sun, with little or no 11-year cycle.

    This solar hibernation corresponded with a period of bitter cold that began around 1650 and lasted, with intermittent spikes of warming, until 1715. Frigid winters and cold summers during that period led to massive crop failures, famine and death in Northern Europe.

    Tapping reports no change in the sun’s magnetic field so far this cycle and warns that if the sun remains quiet for another year or two, it may indicate a repeat of that period of drastic cooling of the Earth, bringing massive snowfall and severe weather to the Northern Hemisphere.

    Tapping oversees the operation of a 60-year-old radio telescope that he calls a “stethoscope for the sun.” But he and his colleagues need better equipment.

    In Canada, where radio-telescopic monitoring of the sun has been conducted since the end of World War II, a new instrument, the next-generation solar flux monitor, could measure the sun’s emissions more rapidly and accurately.

    As we have noted many times, perhaps the biggest impact on the Earth’s climate over time has been the sun.

    For instance, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar Research in Germany report the sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60 years, accounting for the 1 degree Celsius increase in Earth’s temperature over the last 100 years.

    R. Timothy Patterson, professor of geology and director of the Ottawa-Carleton Geoscience Center of Canada’s Carleton University, says that “CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet’s climate on long, medium and even short time scales.”

    Rather, he says, “I and the first-class scientists I work with are consistently finding excellent correlations between the regular fluctuations of the sun and earthly climate. This is not surprising. The sun and the stars are the ultimate source of energy on this planet.”

    Patterson, sharing Tapping’s concern, says: “Solar scientists predict that, by 2020, the sun will be starting into its weakest Schwabe cycle of the past two centuries, likely leading to unusually cool conditions on Earth.”

    “Solar activity has overpowered any effect that CO2 has had before, and it most likely will again,” Patterson says. “If we were to have even a medium-sized solar minimum, we could be looking at a lot more bad effects than ‘global warming’ would have had.”

    In 2005, Russian astronomer Khabibullo Abdusamatov made some waves — and not a few enemies in the global warming “community” — by predicting that the sun would reach a peak of activity about three years from now, to be accompanied by “dramatic changes” in temperatures.

    A Hoover Institution Study a few years back examined historical data and came to a similar conclusion.

    “The effects of solar activity and volcanoes are impossible to miss. Temperatures fluctuated exactly as expected, and the pattern was so clear that, statistically, the odds of the correlation existing by chance were one in 100,” according to Hoover fellow Bruce Berkowitz.

    The study says that “try as we might, we simply could not find any relationship between industrial activity, energy consumption and changes in global temperatures.”

    The study concludes that if you shut down all the world’s power plants and factories, “there would not be much effect on temperatures.”

    But if the sun shuts down, we’ve got a problem. It is the sun, not the Earth, that’s hanging in the balance.

  • Get over it says:

    The conservative/anti global warming posse has been playing the fear mongering game for years.

    When “liberal” use the same tactic, conservatives cry foul. Get over yourselves.

  • D says:

    David Suzuki is LYING and he knows it. that is why he has to trump up all the BS because HE IS LYING about GLOBAL WARMING!!! HE is old enough to remember the GLOBAL ICE AGE from the 70’s!

    GIVE ME A F(*&^N Break and PUT HIM AND AL GORE in JAIL for inciting a riot!

  • Daniel MB says:

    BTW, I am posting a copy of my comment on my own blog (http://www.dmbtimes.net/xsama). Though you may choose not to display my comment here at nam.org, I’d be happy to publish any responses or discussion w/ Carter Wood on my own URLs.

  • Daniel MB says:

    “Extremism is going mainstream,” says the National Association of Manufacturers. It’s sad to see so little thoughtful reflection in this blog post. 100% reactionary whining.

    We are in the middle of a huge cultural shift – where what once seemed extreme will become the norm. Just as it’s a crime to incite others to violence and murder, it should be a crime to incite violations of all individual rights – even if the effects won’t be noticed for years.

    Denying the causal link between greenhouse gas emissions and unprecedented temperature acceleration used to be cute, but it’s time to think about how we are raising the next generation. How will they mature when adults are fighting so hard for willful ignorance and profiteering?

  • Weazle says:

    okay, real slowly now: Mis-ter Su-zu-ki is not call-ing for pri-son for speak-ing neg-a-tive-ly about glo-bal war-ming. He is call-ing for them to be jailed for their ac-tions. okay? simple enough? throwing people in jail for denying global warming, bad. throwing people in jail for being perfectly willing to profit on the wholesale annihilation of one’s environment, interesting idea. Will I need to break out the hand puppets to get this one across?

  • Another global warming kook.

    My response is to go out back and burn a tire every time one of them mouths off. If they want me to stop, they have only to shut up.

    I’m going to pour diesel fuel on the ground to light it, too, and use styrofoam for tinder.

  • Phat Sean says:

    Sigh, it’s always poor, under-educated white people who deny climate change. They don’t want to give up some of their unsustainable lifestyle in order to keep the planet livable for their own children. They’d rather keep living in a detached house and driving two cars than move to an apartment and walk to work. The same people who are propped up by the redistribution tax dollars from profitable liberal states to under-achieving conservative states.

    Honestly, who cares? I can afford it if my heating and gas costs triple. It’ll be fun watching the deniers suffer the economic costs of not dealing with climate change. I’ll be laughing as you cry that you can’t cool your house in Arizona. Guess you should have considered energy costs before you moved to a cheap location subsidized by people who can actually compete in the free market.

  • Jacques says:

    Any more ridiculous than the constant state of denial that so many, yourself included, are in about the threat of GHG emissions and global warming as it is happening today?

    Not that anything can be done about the problem though, because there are too many idiots like you. It’s a lost cause.

  • Hi, I’m a prison cell manufacturer. As such I fully support jailing any and all people for the profit of my business. Please keep up the good work Suzuki.

  • C Murray says:

    Suzuki used to be a scientist, now he is nothing more than a has-been who has realized the following horrible truths.

    Not doing any scientific work for 20 years will not keep you up to date.

    Spending all your time on CBC paid for soft-science programs is not the same as research.

    Joining Al Gore in the ‘I have no relevance therefore I must roar’ campaign is not enough.

    Repeating dogma rather than researching it yourself is not only bad science it is bad living.

    Desperation to keep your name known is not a pretty thing.

    There is no man made global warming, there never has been any global warming. This at best is a neat, but seriously flawed, mathematical model that consistently has failed to match any sort of real world verification. Every year when the models are reviewed and the flaws found these pseudo-scientists do the only honourable thing. They change the data to match their findings or the say that the difference is proof they are ‘righter than ever’.

    Now we are seeing changes in solar output that might well result in a significant cooling of the northern hemisphere for quite some time. Wow, it’s almost as if the solar system had been around for millions and millions of years and had developed some sort of cyclic pattern…nah, that aint possible! Next thing you will tell me that every day when it gets dark it will get light again.

  • Tim says:

    I’ve got the perfect idea. Let’s make our food into fuel and strip the Earth of that resource instead.

  • Bill says:

    One word comes to mind…..


  • Bob says:


    Seems like you’re just about as intolerant of them as they are of you. Time to grow up, face the facts and take some responsibility for the impact of what you advocate and do. This is exactly what I say to Environmental Defense folks.

    Both sides inability to act rationally leaves us all worse off

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